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#21 jsb357

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Posted 25 July 2017 - 01:47 PM

Irvin's actions and behaviors in the past brought on this more recent series of events.

 

Young men entering the league should take note of this.

 

How many will?


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Posted 25 July 2017 - 02:19 PM

A false claim is not the same thing as insufficient evidence. If you made the accuser liable every time there was insufficient evidence to go to trial too many true victims would be afraid to report a crime and then become victims of the legal system being unable to pursue the case. Especially considering it's adding further emotional harm to the victim in that circumstance.

 

While I agree that it's not fair to the accused when it's false. Making it the responsibility of the accuser to prove the case against their assailant isn't the answer.

Why is it not?? There should have to be evidence as in any crime committed to convict someone of that crime.


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Posted 25 July 2017 - 02:22 PM

Why such dislike towards Irvin's off-the-field problems with women? ALL OF THOSE WOMEN knew he's rich, likes to party and is a "player", and ALL OF THOSE WOMEN knew he was a married man, yet they didn't stop themselves from going along and messing around with this married man, right? Anyone trying to say that they only were trying to be friendly? Yeah, right. Those women had an ulterior motive, and that was to see how much $$$ they could get off of him in some way or another. Those women were all in it for themselves.

I'm not excusing Irvin for anything he's been proven to have broken the laws against any woman he's been with, but let's not make it seem as if Michael Irvin is the ONLY one at fault for his off-the-field episodes. It takes two to mingle, and those women all knew who Michael Irvin, the rich, famous athlete, and most importantly, THE MARRIED MAN, was.

They could have easily told him, "No thank you, Michael, but you're a married man, and I respect that!" Nope. Not a single woman said no to "mingling" with him.
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Posted 25 July 2017 - 02:36 PM

A false claim is not the same thing as insufficient evidence. If you made the accuser liable every time there was insufficient evidence to go to trial too many true victims would be afraid to report a crime and then become victims of the legal system being unable to pursue the case. Especially considering it's adding further emotional harm to the victim in that circumstance.

 

While I agree that it's not fair to the accused when it's false. Making it the responsibility of the accuser to prove the case against their assailant isn't the answer.

Don't believe that lie because apparently accusers are still afraid to report a crime now when they have all of these overprotective measures. People are waiting 30 years or more to report crimes. The burden of proof is always, and should be on the accuser. It has to be that way for a reason, because we are all resumed innocent until proven guilty. Are we as a people saying that we would rather be guilty until we prove our innocence? 



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Posted 25 July 2017 - 02:47 PM

When you win in court it is your right to collect your damages, whatever they were like... Time at work missed, travel accommodations, emotional distress, loss of clientele or future employment and so on. I have won in traffic court to the municipality and the state were my accuser. When I won, I gave the judge a bill and told him I would like to collect my damages and the municipality did pay for the time I missed at work, my auto impound, attorney fees, surcharge fees, and emotional distress. It works the same way for every crime but just like many of you didn't know that about traffic court, many people don't know it all together. Someone ALWAYS has to be held accountable for damages. If you don't claim your damages, you cannot go back and say you were a victim by not claiming them. 

 

Take emotions out of it and look at the law for what the law should be. Fair and unbiased with liberty and justice for all. All includes the accused. 


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Posted 25 July 2017 - 02:54 PM

We're the fairer sex not the weaker. That doesn't mean skin tone either. It means we're more objective, tend not to jump to conclusions or rush to judgement as fast as the opposite sex. We tend to have more patience learned through motherhood for many and we tend not to judge or create unreachable goals. JMO of course :)

"tend not to rush jump to conclusions or rush to judgement as fas as the opposite sex"

 

Hey, I resemble that remark :)



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Posted 25 July 2017 - 02:58 PM

 Of course they like his money, it's their profession. Are you painting all women as hookers and escorts?Now, do hookers deserve what they get? Not in my world. Many of them (I said many not all) have a controlling male pimp who often lay a beating on them or so I'm told. Do you HONESTLY believe the po po would listen to their story over Irvins? And do you HONESTLY believe they'd even turn up in court to testify against someone like him. They take money for sex and the accuser was probably handsomely rewarded to keep her mouth shut. See, if you can make up stories to fit your spin with Iron Mike, I can spin the hooker side

Was she a hooker? Mikey Mikey Mikey nothing ever changes. Always had a bit of a penchant for the ho's, stay away from the cheap ones though :)


Not sure why anyone is defending this clown. He's always been a clown. Great football player yes, great human? Not so fast to say yes to that one. Don't know him personally but when he talks on set, I zone out. 



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Posted 25 July 2017 - 04:31 PM

"Keep on trucking Irvin"
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Posted 25 July 2017 - 04:41 PM

When you win in court it is your right to collect your damages, whatever they were like... Time at work missed, travel accommodations, emotional distress, loss of clientele or future employment and so on. I have won in traffic court to the municipality and the state were my accuser. When I won, I gave the judge a bill and told him I would like to collect my damages and the municipality did pay for the time I missed at work, my auto impound, attorney fees, surcharge fees, and emotional distress. It works the same way for every crime but just like many of you didn't know that about traffic court, many people don't know it all together. Someone ALWAYS has to be held accountable for damages. If you don't claim your damages, you cannot go back and say you were a victim by not claiming them. 

 

Take emotions out of it and look at the law for what the law should be. Fair and unbiased with liberty and justice for all. All includes the accused. 

Awesome post...


We're the fairer sex not the weaker. That doesn't mean skin tone either. It means we're more objective, tend not to jump to conclusions or rush to judgement as fast as the opposite sex. We tend to have more patience learned through motherhood for many and we tend not to judge or create unreachable goals. JMO of course :)

That's a load of mularky...


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Posted 25 July 2017 - 04:45 PM

We're the fairer sex not the weaker. That doesn't mean skin tone either. It means we're more objective, tend not to jump to conclusions or rush to judgement as fast as the opposite sex. We tend to have more patience learned through motherhood for many and we tend not to judge or create unreachable goals. JMO of course :)

Many of women (just like many men) in the USA are not honorable nor have good intentions.

Of course they like his money, it's their profession. Are you painting all women as hookers and escorts?Now, do hookers deserve what they get? Not in my world. Many of them (I said many not all) have a controlling male pimp who often lay a beating on them or so I'm told. Do you HONESTLY believe the po po would listen to their story over Irvins? And do you HONESTLY believe they'd even turn up in court to testify against someone like him. They take money for sex and the accuser was probably handsomely rewarded to keep her mouth shut. See, if you can make up stories to fit your spin with Iron Mike, I can spin the hooker side

How do you know those women were hookers or escorts? Where's your proof? Who is making up stories now?

Awesome post...

That's a load of mularky...

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#31 northerncowboynation

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Posted 25 July 2017 - 05:51 PM

We're the fairer sex not the weaker. That doesn't mean skin tone either. It means we're more objective, tend not to jump to conclusions or rush to judgement as fast as the opposite sex. We tend to have more patience learned through motherhood for many and we tend not to judge or create unreachable goals. JMO of course :)

You don't have to defend the entire female population Pinky. Yo know that some aren't worthy of your defense same as we know some guys aren't worthy of ours. Forgive the brothers because they're standing up for a fallen heroe. It's not the first time Irvin has fallen and probably won't be the last time. 

 

Do you stand up for all under dogs?



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Posted 25 July 2017 - 06:05 PM

This has been one of the better conversations I've seen on this forum. Its a touchy subject and some stances if gone too far could break the forum rules but everyone has been respectful of each other and the rules. Hat's off to all involved for being the right kind of mature adults. 


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Posted 25 July 2017 - 06:11 PM

Whew. Everybody keeps turning up innocent. I guess Lewis is next.
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Posted 25 July 2017 - 06:11 PM

you're a load of mularky... malarkey actually  :P

yeah I am.

 

I also can't spell for shiz.


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Posted 25 July 2017 - 06:14 PM

Yeah pretty much. I rescue stray cats and dogs too. I've never rescued a ho though. My next mission :)

I rescue turtles out of the road...


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Posted 25 July 2017 - 06:22 PM

So,  Mike was probably giving this girl a lengthy monologue on who he is and how much money he made........he's talkin......talkin.....  as a defense mechanism,  she zones out shaking her head up and down........... and wakes up naked.    Happens all the time.  He took her head nodding as an acknowledgment that assaulting her would be fine.  But technically,  she was zoned out and just trying to be polite.


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Posted 25 July 2017 - 06:23 PM

Yeah pretty much. I rescue stray cats and dogs too. I've never rescued a ho though. My next mission :)

lol
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Posted 25 July 2017 - 09:35 PM

Yeah pretty much. I rescue stray cats and dogs too. I've never rescued a ho though. My next mission :)

I'd be careful with the ho mission if I were you. They carry nasty critters in places unmentionable. Think you should leave ho cleansing to Irvin  :D


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Posted 25 July 2017 - 09:43 PM

I'd be careful with the ho mission if I were you. They carry nasty critters in places unmentionable. Think you should leave ho cleansing to Irvin :D

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Posted 26 July 2017 - 12:19 AM

I protest roads being built through turtle habitats. Chained myself to a big old BULL dozer ;)

Yah, good point :)

I hate seeing them stuck in the road up in their shell... So I always pull over and get them out of the road.

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