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Is the 2016 Draft Class the Best in Team History?


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#1 5 Lombardis

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Posted 12 September 2017 - 02:50 PM

Jaylon Smith and Tapper both had successful NFL debuts Sunday night.  Smith looks like he could develop into an All Pro talent.  Tapper had a sack and looks like at a minimum he will be a solid pass rusher to bring in on pass rushing situations.  Also, Rico Gathers looks like he will develop into an offensive weapon we can use on goal line and other short yardage situations. That means we hit on 8 of 9 picks in the 2016 draft which is incredible and in that 8 we have a franchise qb, a potential HOF rb, potential all pros at DT, LB, and CB, as well as solid contributors in Tapper, Frazer, and Gathers.

 

The question is whether this could be the best Cowboy draft class of all time?  The 1975 "Dirty Dozen" class produced guys like Randy White, Thomas Henderson, Bob Breunig, Pat Donovan, Herb Scott, and Mike Hegman.  The 1964 class had 3 HOF players in Roger, Mel Renfro, and Bob Hayes.  I think it's possible that 2016 could top those classes and go down as our best class ever.  It certainly looks like it will be the best ever from a talent identification standpoint because there were only 9 draft picks in 2016 compared with 19 in 1975 and 20 in 1964.

 

 



#2 ShutUp&Play

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Posted 12 September 2017 - 05:19 PM

When its all said and done....the 2016 draft class will be looked upon as the GREATEST DRAFT CLASS in Dallas Cowboys history!!

Especially if we bring home a few 'chips!!

 

Zeke, Jaylon, Collins, Dak, Tap, Frazier, Rico will all be major contributors in the no too distant future.

We may have 4 perennial pro bowlers out of this draft?? That's crazy. And Rico is the wild card...if he

develops into the heir apparent and he certainly looks the part...this class will indeed be considered SPECIAL!



#3 ryanaustinh

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Posted 12 September 2017 - 05:57 PM

Gotta win something or see the careers they have., 1989 had Troy, Stepnoski, Moose, Tolbert and we even drafted Steve Wisnewski to trade to the Raiders.  But he four I mentioned all had nearly 10 year careers with us.


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Posted 13 September 2017 - 12:50 AM

And 64 had Jake Kupp who was traded to the saints and became an all pro guard and is in their ring of honor.

I think this debate is about 10 years too soon to include 2016. But it sure looks like a great one.
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Posted 13 September 2017 - 12:57 AM

I'd say it is:

 

http://www.nfl.com/d...-team-input:dal



#6 DanAn

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Posted 13 September 2017 - 05:23 AM

As of week 1 season 2:

Two pro-bowlers: Zeke, Dak

Five starters: A.Brown, M.Collins, J.Smith, Z.Elliott, D.Prescott

Two rotation: K.Frazer, C.Tapper

Developing: R.Gathers

 

No other draft would come close to that after year 1. But you'd probably trade all of that for two HOF careers.



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Posted 13 September 2017 - 10:41 AM

As of week 1 season 2:

Two pro-bowlers: Zeke, Dak

Five starters: A.Brown, M.Collins, J.Smith, Z.Elliott, D.Prescott

Two rotation: K.Frazer, C.Tapper

Developing: R.Gathers

 

No other draft would come close to that after year 1. But you'd probably trade all of that for two HOF careers.

 

Crazy thing is I think you could see that pro bowl list grow...

 

If Brown can play a season like he did the last several games of last year he'll get a pro bowl or 2.

If Collins can continue to develop and get a little more consistent count him in.

If Smith can regain his movement skills and athleticism he's going to get a few.

 

If we have 5 dudes that win pro bowls throughout their career that's just nuts.


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Posted 13 September 2017 - 09:37 PM

Jaylon Smith and Tapper both had successful NFL debuts Sunday night.  Smith looks like he could develop into an All Pro talent.  Tapper had a sack and looks like at a minimum he will be a solid pass rusher to bring in on pass rushing situations.  Also, Rico Gathers looks like he will develop into an offensive weapon we can use on goal line and other short yardage situations. That means we hit on 8 of 9 picks in the 2016 draft which is incredible and in that 8 we have a franchise qb, a potential HOF rb, potential all pros at DT, LB, and CB, as well as solid contributors in Tapper, Frazer, and Gathers.

 

The question is whether this could be the best Cowboy draft class of all time?  The 1975 "Dirty Dozen" class produced guys like Randy White, Thomas Henderson, Bob Breunig, Pat Donovan, Herb Scott, and Mike Hegman.  The 1964 class had 3 HOF players in Roger, Mel Renfro, and Bob Hayes.  I think it's possible that 2016 could top those classes and go down as our best class ever.  It certainly looks like it will be the best ever from a talent identification standpoint because there were only 9 draft picks in 2016 compared with 19 in 1975 and 20 in 1964.

 

The team has to win a super bowl or 2 or 3 to even be considered.   The 2005 class was looking outstanding too.  But, the ultimate judgement on any draft class comes down to one question:  what did they win?

 

These guys have won nothing and achieved nothing.  So,  i'd say it far to early and way premature to start comparing them to 75'.  Its absurd conjecture at this point.  

 

Sound like a bunch of dam 20 somethings in here that have never witnessed true cowboy greatness.



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Posted 03 October 2017 - 04:22 AM

Hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm......................................


My doctor told me to start killing people.   Well, not  in those exact words.   He said I had to reduce the stress in my life.    Same thing, really. 


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Posted 03 October 2017 - 05:27 AM

So far from that draft:

Elliott= Starter, Pro Bowl and All Pro

Smith= Starter

Collins= Starter

Tapper= Rotational

Prescott= Starter, Pro Bowl, OROY

Brown= Starter

Fraizer= Rotational

Jackson= He gone!

Gathers= TBD but he looks like another gem

 

5+ Starters in one draft is amazing. 



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Posted 05 October 2017 - 03:50 PM

That top 10 was pretty solid. Not trying to pull an I told you so, but I was huge on Buckner and through he was so good he could fit in somehow to our defense. Currently the top grades DT in football.

"With a PFF grade of 93.2 through the first four weeks of the season, San Francisco 49ers 2016 first-round draft pick DeForest Buckner is the highest-graded interior defender in the NFL.
Buckner has dominated as a pass-rusher much more than his single sack total suggests. With a sack, nine hits, and 13 hurries, his 23 total pressures on 131 pass-rushing snaps ranks has earned him a pass-rushing productivity rating of 13.4, the highest mark at the position among players with at least 75 pass-rushing snaps so far this year.
No slouch against the run either, Buckner has racked up a 10.1 percent run-stop percentage mark, good for 13th at the position among players to play at least 60 snaps in run defense, with 10 tackles resulting in a defensive stop."
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#12 DanAn

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Posted 05 October 2017 - 04:02 PM

That top 10 was pretty solid. Not trying to pull an I told you so, but I was huge on Buckner and through he was so good he could fit in somehow to our defense. Currently the top grades DT in football.

"With a PFF grade of 93.2 through the first four weeks of the season, San Francisco 49ers 2016 first-round draft pick DeForest Buckner is the highest-graded interior defender in the NFL.
Buckner has dominated as a pass-rusher much more than his single sack total suggests. With a sack, nine hits, and 13 hurries, his 23 total pressures on 131 pass-rushing snaps ranks has earned him a pass-rushing productivity rating of 13.4, the highest mark at the position among players with at least 75 pass-rushing snaps so far this year.
No slouch against the run either, Buckner has racked up a 10.1 percent run-stop percentage mark, good for 13th at the position among players to play at least 60 snaps in run defense, with 10 tackles resulting in a defensive stop."

 

 

Good call on Buckner, I didn't like him because I thought he was a 3-4 DE but was clearly wrong, he's playing brilliantly as a 3 tech at the minute.  Jalen Ramsey is rated 89.1 on pff and a week ago was the highest rated corner too. Not sure if that's changed.



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Posted 05 October 2017 - 04:23 PM

Good call on Buckner, I didn't like him because I thought he was a 3-4 DE but was clearly wrong, he's playing brilliantly as a 3 tech at the minute. Jalen Ramsey is rated 89.1 on pff and a week ago was the highest rated corner too. Not sure if that's changed.


I had Buckner rated lower because of just how dang old he was coming into the draft. I didn't see the potential of growth that I did in the others. If he maintains what Cnu mentioned above, it turns out he didn't need to grow much at all.

Ramsey was my guy and he is still #1 like you said. Has allowed something like 45 yards all season long to go along with his INT and 5 PDs. Zeke has been great, but I am still somewhat upset at the pick. Made no financial sense.
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Posted 05 October 2017 - 05:27 PM

Good call on Buckner, I didn't like him because I thought he was a 3-4 DE but was clearly wrong, he's playing brilliantly as a 3 tech at the minute. Jalen Ramsey is rated 89.1 on pff and a week ago was the highest rated corner too. Not sure if that's changed.


Scheme fit can be tough sometimes - but when you have a kid with that kind of size, length and movement ability it's hard to ignore. He was so good in college against the run and pass that to figure out a way for him to get on the field.

Irving reminds me of him just not as good.

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Posted 05 October 2017 - 05:30 PM

Scheme fit can be tough sometimes - but when you have a kid with that kind of size, length and movement ability it's hard to ignore. He was so good in college against the run and pass that to figure out a way for him to get on the field.

Irving reminds me of him just not as good.

I wonder where Irving would have been drafted without all of his off field issues.

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Posted 05 October 2017 - 05:53 PM

That top 10 was pretty solid. Not trying to pull an I told you so, but I was huge on Buckner and through he was so good he could fit in somehow to our defense. Currently the top grades DT in football.

"With a PFF grade of 93.2 through the first four weeks of the season, San Francisco 49ers 2016 first-round draft pick DeForest Buckner is the highest-graded interior defender in the NFL.
Buckner has dominated as a pass-rusher much more than his single sack total suggests. With a sack, nine hits, and 13 hurries, his 23 total pressures on 131 pass-rushing snaps ranks has earned him a pass-rushing productivity rating of 13.4, the highest mark at the position among players with at least 75 pass-rushing snaps so far this year.
No slouch against the run either, Buckner has racked up a 10.1 percent run-stop percentage mark, good for 13th at the position among players to play at least 60 snaps in run defense, with 10 tackles resulting in a defensive stop."


With what we know now would you have taken him over Zeke?

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Posted 05 October 2017 - 11:53 PM

With what we know now would you have taken him over Zeke?


1000%.

I would've been fine drafting him without knowing what we know now.

I wonder where Irving would have been drafted without all of his off field issues.


Top 100 pick IMO.

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Posted 06 October 2017 - 12:45 AM

With what we know now would you have taken him over Zeke?

 

You look at the current market value of respective players:

Bosa-----------------JPP: 15.5m a season

Ramsey------------Josh Norman: 15m a season

Buckner-----------Calais Cambell: 15m a season

Zeke----------------LeVeon Bell: 12.1m a season
 
Objectively speaking the money suggests all three should have gone before Zeke. In saying that I really think Zeke was the lowest risk failing from that group and it's hardly a bad pick.  

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Posted 06 October 2017 - 12:52 AM


You look at the current market value of respective players:
Bosa-----------------JPP: 15.5m a season
Ramsey------------Josh Norman: 15m a season
Buckner-----------Calais Cambell: 15m a season

Zeke----------------LeVeon Bell: 12.1m a season

Objectively speaking the money suggests all three should have gone before Zeke. In saying that I really think Zeke was the lowest risk failing from that group and it's hardly a bad pick.


That's basically how I had it ranked.

I'm more on the RBs are easy to find train. For me, in order for Zeke to warrant the pick he's gotta be a top 5 type RB consistently. Hopefully we get a few more 2016 type seasons.
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